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Why only 8 postcards this week??????
Tailormade,
Don’t you mean, “Why only 8 completely lame postcards this week”?
SL Secrets has become as pathetic as the rest of the SCD blog.
We need some real tabloid journalism to make SL interesting like it used to be!
Falala
I know you guys are trying really hard to keep out SLsecrets directed at
slamming and attacking designers, but seems some are still slipping through.
SL Secret #7 I think was uncalled for.
I know one of the designers they are speaking of,and I know this is going to impact her
a great deal,posting a memo sent out to her group word for word,isn’t exactally being
discreet and tasteful.
There are details that this person is unaware of and something like this in my opinion
should have been sent to the designer herself discreetly without flashing it in front of everyone to see.
I agree with Raven. The designer in question has horrible dyslexia and it is unfair and unreasonable to attack someone with what is commonly known as a disability. Not everyone has spell check programs, but from what I know of dyslexia, it would not help her that much. Her writer has been sick, so she has had to struggle with this on her own. Dyslexia and spelling issues can be like a monkey on your back even in the most eloquent of writers, and #7 smacks in the face of common courtesy and kindness towards others with this very common problem.I hope that it is removed. And I agree if the person had taken the time to talk to the designer herself, they would have been apprised of this issue, and hopefully would have been less callous. Persons with disabilities are discriminated against all the time, and this is just one such example.
So to the designer who has to struggle with dyslexia, I commend you for doing what you do in SL despite your set back. You are brave and have forged a path for other people who struggle with some sort of disability to follow. I have no idea who you are but I always greatly respect those who can rise above their personal challenges. Don’t let that SLecret (if it can be called a secret) discourage you. The person who wrote it is vindictive and clueless. Just think that they have to live in their own skin forever…that is their disability. Hugs to the designer – just keep writing and communicating because you are the strong one
Also, a large percentage of SL’s population is not American. Hel-lo? They do the best they can writing clothing descriptions and gadget instructions in a language that is not their first language. I actually think it’s sweet when you can detect a person’s accent in their text. If their designs are nice, what difference does it make if they can spell or not. I’m not wearing their notecard on my body…
Number 7 is really uncalled for. Get to know a person before you think you have any right to talk badly about them. If you knew that designer, you’d know she’s a really sweet person with a kind heart. If she reads this; keep your head up sweetie, there’s a lot of people who love you and your designs!
Toosenz, who said anything about American, why do you think that as soon as someone points out errors or grammar they have to be American? Is America the only nation in the world that speaks English? Stop being an idiot an get over your own biases.I think by now we know that there are representatives from all over the globe in SL,so no news flash there. I agree that secret is messed up but really who the hell is expected to know that the designer has dyslexia? What if you go out to purchase items in rl and had tons of spelling errors would you take that business seriously? If the designer has issues and has dyslexia then hire a rep to correct errors and edit her stuff. The ones who are defending the designer here, why not offer to help her edit descriptions?
And what the hell do you guys mean not everyone has spell check, that is the most basic of computer tools, you mean you guys use notepad to do your initial writing? No excuse, you guys defending the designer are even hampering her more. You think you’re doing good but you’re not. I have seen people with dyslexia get along well, yes its a struggle but they can do it. The last thing people with handicaps need is people feeling sorry for them and holding them to a lower standard.
To VOR:
Hun It’s called “being polite”. Designer work hard in Second life! Designer have to do the jobs of five people.
1.designer,
2.writer
3.sales
4.advertising
5.costumer serves
In real life your right you do not see bad spelling -BUT- in real life the designers don’t write ads. They pay a advertising agency does it.
signed LOL
VOR “hire a rep to correct errors and edit her stuff”
Akasha “Her writer has been sick,”
Did you read what Akasha said Vor ?
@ LOL “In real life your right you do not see bad spelling -BUT- in real life the designers don’t write ads. They pay a advertising agency does it.”
My point exactly. Judging from your second post you didn’t even see what Akasha said.If that’s the case then have a back up rep, ask a friend, consult a dictionary. See there are ways around everything, and its not being polite, by treating her like a baby and placing so much emphasis on her handicap you’re not helping. Do not confuse sympathy with empathy.
You’re right, you didn’t say anything about the designer being American or not. I was simply stating that I have purchased items from designers for whom English is their second language and you can tell they have struggled to construct the notecards that accompany their products. And my point was, it doesn’t bother me when someone has bad grammar or poor spelling for whatever reason, dyslexia, non-English speaking, etc. Unless I am purchasing a piece of writing from them, their writing skills are irrelevant. All I care about is how well the clothing is designed, how stylish the furniture is, or how clever the gadget is. The thought I was attempting to raise is: What difference does it make if they can spell or not? Do you think you are encouraging them to be poor spellers by buying a piece of clothing that has a misspelled description? Or vice versa?
I don’t think expressing sympathy towards a dyslexic designer is anything to be sorry for. (Woops, did I just end a sentence with a preposition?)
“See there are ways around everything, and its not being polite, by treating her like a baby and placing so much emphasis on her handicap you’re not helping.”
No one has been treating this designer like a baby. And the contents of the #7 Secret haven’t exactly been helpful either – assuming the definition of ‘helping the disabled’ hasn’t changed from handing out wheelchairs … to turning them over and dumping paraplegics in the street.
If someone has dyslexia, they are obviously going to have issues typing and writing. A spell-checker program would’ve been helpful, sure. But for whatever reason, this person decided to send out a notice without consulting one – which is hardly a reason to copy and paste her entire message and broadcast on the internet in order to publicly mock her/him.
Whoever sent in that secret wasn’t trying to be helpful, they were trying to be hurtful.
Being a content creator in Second Life is hard enough, with all the theft, lawlessness, and personal drama that everyone seems to get into. It’s caused so many to just close up shop and leave. Why nitpick about a few typos and English errors?
In fact, the only party being catered to and babied are the people out there who actually agree with #7. It’s a very big world out there and not everyone can speak English as fluently as you do. Expecting the entire world to live up to your standards of English grammar, whether or not they are dyslexic or just plain foreign, is just childish and self-centered.
Get over it, writer of #7.
I wanted to say something to entry number 7 and I really hope the creator of postcard 7 reads this…
OMG – what can I say? I’m not english myself, not american either. BUT I am completely annoyed by this too, I think its rude not even to double check the stuff you write somewhere, no matter how bad you speak a language, there’s always some online dictionary or a friend that you can ask. Therefore, I quite well understand you!
cheers!
I would have to agree with you Tam. If you run a business, no matter where be professional about it. We’re not talking about 1 or 2 errors here. People stop holding SL designers to a different standard.
A small, off-hand list of rules that Tamtastique has failed to implement in her testament to Good English Skills:
1) Never start a sentence with a conjunction.
2) Do not split infinitives.
3) Your usage of the words “American” and “Cheers” imply the need for capitalization.
4) Most of your post is a run-on sentence.
5) You’re missing an apostrophe or two on those contractions.
How rude.
Why didn’t you just ask a friend or rifle through an online dictionary?
i have an idea. how about you guys stop caring so much. get off sl and get a real life?
i just solved all your problems.
hmmmmm are you all that bitter you? have to attack people? -grins- I had a friend jest like you all very mean online act like he had all the answers . one day we meet In real life .he was 400 pond looked like he never bathed and was a 35 year old virgin.I was surprise .
We forget this awesome designers work out of their homes. They make mistakes.
I my self have a spelling problem -But- I do not lit it stop be from saying how i feel.
I know a real life designer she can not spell. lucky she don’t write the ads.
She works on designs not writing.
I may not be a designer but anyone who design in SL has my respect.
Musta-Krakish,
Musta-Krakish,
The time has come, to awaken him.
I call upon the ancient lords of the underworld,
To bring forth this beast and,
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Take the land, that must be taken.
Awaken, awaken, awaken, awaken,
Devour worlds, smite forsaken
Rise up from your thousand year-old sleep,
Break forth from your grave eternally.
I command you to rise, rise, rise, rise,
rise, rise, rise, rise.
Happy Halloween
Question: are we supposed to comment only on this week’s secrets, or can we comment on previous weeks’ secrets? Since comments were closed on some of the previous weeks’ secrets, it might be fun to re-hash those old issues.
Back to the topic: Judging from the text contained in post #7, I’d guess that neither one of the designers were native speakers of English. In the first example, “whit” is a common misspelling amongst non-native speakers, and in the second example, the gap between the sentence and the punctuation would also signal an ESL user. I’m willing to cut these folks a bit of slack if that’s the case.
I don’t buy from SLX or whatever it’s called now, so for me the wording of the ads there is a moot point. However, I do tend to ignore Fashcon/FreeStyle notices that are poorly worded. (I also ignore notices written in all caps, but that’s neither here nor there.) Yes, I am perfectly aware that many people in SL are not native speakers of English, and I realize that there are people with other issues that make proper spelling/grammar difficult. However, the audience is primarily an English speaking audience, and sending poorly worded notices gives the impression that the sender doesn’t care. If I were a content creator, and SL was primarily a Spanish speaking platform, I would be damn sure to have a native Spanish speaking friend check my notices and advertising before sending them out.
Also, in a lot of people’s minds, advertisting with poor grammar = store with stolen content. Unfair? Absolutely. But many people (myself included) have never seen a store selling stolen content that advertised in perfect English. In other words, everyone might want to proof read before they hit that send button!
Amanda “”Also, in a lot of people’s minds, advertising with poor grammar = store with stolen content.”"
Now that jest crazy Amanda.
BTW advertisting is spelling advertising. Winks
“Now that jest crazy Amanda.
BTW advertisting is spelling advertising. Winks”
I think you meant to say:
“Now, that is just crazy, Amanda.
By the way, “advertisting” is spelled “advertising”.
”
In all seriousness… you don’t think presentation matters?
I am not a design but yes i do thing presentation matter.
But this awesome designers work out of their homes “crying kid real life stress” and they have to do it all so i say cute them a brake people make mistake
They work hard to bring use stuff
OK… and? When one is a designer in SL, one is a professional, whether they realize it or not. Therefore, one should always conduct business as a professional, even if it is virtual business. I don’t think it’s that difficult.
I notice that many Japanese designers have well written advertisements and vendors, but when I look at their profiles, they’ll say that they’re Japanese and they only speak basic English (or no English at all). So it’s clear that they’re getting help. If they’re not ashamed to ask for help so they can be professional, why can’t others do the same thing?
I agree -Butt- Your forgetting this designers work hard and work at home. They don’t have the resources or money a big company has . so mistake are going to happen . a good example i was shopping at a big named designer shop. I payed for a item it was not in the box . I IMed the owner it was fixed. and I do be leave one of the designer in question has a write but her writer as been off sick.
Am not saying this designers should not write better -But- come on cute them a brake they work hard and deserve some respect. there is a difference in slamming and offering advice.
Bad spelling is not a crime, slamming is plain straight up mean, offering advice is awesome .
LOL, its time for you to shut up. Because a designer works hard and works form home they should slack on presentation? Only big corporations should care about presentation and small businesses should get away with lack of professionalism? I will not apologize, if a business owner cannot care enough to be professional and present their items in a such a manner then I would continue to ignore them.
“”LOL, its time for you to shut up. Because a designer works hard and works form home they should slack on presentation? Only big corporations should care about presentation and small businesses should get away with lack of professionalism? I will not apologize, if a business owner cannot care enough to be professional and present their items in a such a manner then I would continue to ignore them.”"
I did not say that silly . I said designers don’t have the resources or backing or man power so mistake are going to happen.
tell ya what if you soo full of your self take you av put on all new be stuff then may be you realize how hard all the Second life designers work for us. I think it time you get a life get out from you computer and get a life. i am not a designer but felt all this slamming is uncalled for.
if you READ VOR!
Am not saying this designers should not write better -But- come on cute them a brake they work hard and deserve some respect. there is a difference in slamming and offering advice.
Bad spelling is not a crime, slamming is plain straight up mean, offering advice is awesome .
I love reading again and again how incredibly hard the designers in SL work, doing the work of five, and that they do that FOR US, etc.
Don’t you think people work hard in RL too? Have you ever had to work at a real job in your life? It sounds like you may not have. Mind you, some of us get some entertainment in SL after a long and hard work day, and spend their hard earned money into the game, possibly to increase designers’ income.
Sometimes we, hard workers in RL, would like to be shown a bit of respect as well, not being fooled with marketing tricks, lack of customer support, and content theft from other 3D sources (or simply googled images) when we think we are buying original content done by hard working designers… yes, these things happen…
It’s a matter of respect to write to be understood. I don’t mind spelling and typoes but, at some point, I can assure you, as English isn’t my first and not even my second language, that the promotional text from this designer is REALLY almost impossible to understand.
Not even using the spellchecker of his/her computer is a total lack of respect
toward customers.
Oh, and this person is still anonymous, so his name isn’t dragged in the mud, right?
LOL, I am a content creator in SL and I agree that we do bust our asses, but it’s not like there isn’t something in it for us, we get paid. So the most we can do is respect our clientele by being professional, starting with note cards that are legible. So don’t give me that crap about they work hard for us, 99 percent of the designers would not continue to do so if all they received at the end of a hard days work was a pat on the back, a thumbs up and a wink. When you turn 18 and have held down a job for more than a year, talk to me.
“SLsecret Buzz is in no way directly associated with SCD or SLsecret. The SCD personalities are in no way affiliated with this site. ”
Might want to get a lawyer to examine that statement and the reason this website exists.
Have fun!
Ann, just as designers are not copywriters – which seems to be the main focus of the discussion here – I am not a lawyer. If you have something informative and lawyerly to share feel free to send a message. Thanks.
While I am not one who will publicly make fun of spelling/grammar mistakes I will say poorly worded and spelled copy will cause me to pause. Sometimes I am thoroughly amused by it (simple typos in vendor ads make me smile- shows we are all human.) and sometimes it is a barrier to being able to understand what is being sold. That’s a simple fact: If the copy is a barrier to being able to understand what is being sold then it probably will not sell the item.
I feel vendor ads are the first impression customers get of your store, copy in advertisements (via forums, magazines, group notices) is also a first impression. I definately feel empathy about having a learning disorder. I’ve dealt with working with children who have learning, speech, and hearing disorders during college and it’s very very difficult. However, if it were me, I’d have waited till my writer wasn’t sick. I don’t think I’d lose a lot of sales by postponing a release for a week or two.
Wow I wouldn’t guess #7 would trigger such a discussion. English is not my first language and I do make misstakes in grammar when I write, but when someone points out I wrote something wrong I won’t curl up on my bed and cry…I would try and learn from it. I do not think #7 is trying to attack anyone particular because they have disability and I doubt the writer had an idea about the person being dislectic…and vast majority of potential costumers wouldn’t know that either! They would think the designer just doesn’t care.
Spellchecker is very easy to acces…even if you dont have one installed on your computer there are some on the internet (for example gmail has one when you write emails)…and while I don’t care much about my grammar or typing when I am chatting or just discusing on the internet, I would try to be more careful when writing ads. And if someone pointed something I did wrong for me I would just correct it. If I had some disabilty I wouldn’t want people to treat me different just because I have one…I would want to be treated as anyone else. How is a dislectic person supposed to learn if noone points out the misstakes they make. If I was one of the designers that were pointed out in #7 it would maybe amuse me…I wouldn’t feel hurt or anything. I would even be glad I am talked about…
And I love all the comments almost saying the designers don’t sleep and eat just so that they could do something for us. Hello! They are making money that way…and while I am not saying that designing is easy, it is just as hard for me to make money for the clothes they sell…
I know who one of the designers are in #7. I’ve noticed the horrific errors that he/she makes on the adverts time after time. I’m pretty sure that he/she is “LOL” since they both say “jest” instead of “just” so please stop saying that you are not a designer when you are here defending yourself. Bottom line is that Dyslexic or not there is no excuse for constant mistakes when you are running a business. You do what you can even if it means hiring people or getting friends to write your ads for you. Stop being sloppy and lazy. In SL the adverts and pictures are what sells your product. If you can’t do that right what does that say for your clothing, shoes or whatever else that you sell? I don’t think the person that put #7 through did it to be mean. I he/she was trying to wake up the content creators and let them know that these things do matter to the customers.
I’m not trying to be mean either. Just being honest.
Why…oh why, did I just read all of these comments? *shoots self in head*
You people really need to get lives. So what if she has a spelling problem. Its not about how well they can spell or if they have a disease it should be about the quality of their clothing/hair/shoes etc.. Why don’t you haters get over yourself and work on being a decent human being instead of a bunch of bullies. Knock it off already.
um I would never buy Coke products if they spelled their namebrand Cock intermittently during commercials and print ads, no matter how much I love Coke.
my 2 L
My Favie is No #12 “Thank you to everyone who makes Second Life a more beautiful place”
It’s really refreshing to see something positive and complimentary written for a change – I hope to see more of that. Why does everyone have to focus on the negative, bitchy crap?
Because SL Secret would be boring without the negative, bitchy crap. Viva la drama!
@ #1…. awwww how sweet!
I agree with #2 who gives a crap
Japanese people just write in their profile they are poor at writing english because they have humble personalies or are taught to be humble about their skills. If you IM with them, their english is not that bad at all. They’re just different when it comes to these things. Just as they are differnt when it comes to how their avi’s look like. Most women look like little innocent dolls that just turned 12 with big dresses, and also the men look for more boyish and young than other men in SL.
It’s pretty superficial to judge something by the it’s notices’ language. It’s like judging a tv on the color of the font in their manual. WHO CARES. What were you planning to do with these notices??!?! Collect them?! IT’S 30 SECONDS WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, when you’re reading that notice . THEN YOU WILL NEVER SEE THAT NOTICE AGAIN. Well unless you make screenshots of it to masturbate over of course…
If the content or design is good, that should be the one thing that matters!. That’s what it is (or should be) about. Especially native english speakers (UK/USA etc)should not judge other’s language since most can’t even POORLY speak one other language ..
*** And yes, I’m not a native english speaker, so I’m sure I’ve mades ome spelling/grammar miskes
The whole ‘brand’ thing is taken too seriously by some people (also in real life). It’s pretty sad to see people buy stuff just because it’s some brand. Then you’re not really judging it yourself, but let other’s decide what’s good and what’s not and pay 5 times more for it than it’s actually worth. People love some suit just because it says ARMANI. But why? It’s just a marketing trick from companies to make it a ‘brand’ and make you pay 5 times more for it. When you buy brands like that , the company thinks:
‘HA! and yet another sucker that I could let pay 5 times the value. Let’s kiss her ass by saying how beautiful it looks on her so she will come back and again pay 5 times more for some lousy product”
Personally, I laugh at people who wear designer because it’s designer!
1. You have no opnion
2. You’ve paid 5 times more money to a company for a bullshit trick called ‘branding’
2. You wanna be part of some group of people who have no own opinion eiter and all buy that crap
I don’t mean brands could not have good clothes. It’s the REASON why you buy or like it.